Because if there is something else, you should do that. If there is absolutely nothing else, and your heart is set on it, follow me.
Instead, figure it out and do something about it. You are so right, I am been playing music since I was 9. I study classical, then i wanted to be a Metal Bass player, I spent lots of time learning.
I become a bass player on one of the most important death Metal band in Europe, We got signed, we got the video on MTV and tour for years. We wore considered very technical and original. Then I quit the band, got my degree of Doublebass at the Conservatory of Music in Italy, won international auditions but I still get dose low budget Jazz player telling me that I can't play Jazz so they consider me less then then? I mean, should I even take in consideration someone that can even pay his bills with music telling me that I don't even care about Jazz if I am good or not on what I am doing?
Jazz players are not better, they have less education of any classical players, they do not manage the instrument better then anybody because music it is not a competition, if you want to compite try to win an international audition not a jam session.
So stop to feel superior and lear real music first, then pay your bills and stop asking mama for money so you can keep to go at jam the sessions to show of not more that licks learned from others. I got here after a encounter with a jazz guitarist from whom I purchased an instrument. We were talking about the difficulty in getting gigs. I mentioned that my type of music, traditional Celtic, is about a tough for gigging as jazz.
He said "Well all you need to play Irish music is a green shirt. Now the background: I've been a musician for 45 years. I grew up around jazz.
I played the trumpet through college in jazz bands. On the side I started to play the violin. I've played country, bluegrass and classical, as well as Celtic. I play baroque on the side. The point of this is I play Irish music because I choose to, not because I'm incapable of playing anything else. And I work at it as hard as avocational players of any genre. So enough with the 'tude.
Great discussion on human nature and pecking order. Musical tastes grow and evolve. Joni Mitchell is proof of that. Experimentation is a path to push boundaries and explore. It's all good. If you don't like melodic jazz — no problem. Musical snobbery exists in every circle — just as insecurity does. Why not live and let live? Musical tastes vary. If it's not my "thing" I don't feel the need to viciously "peck" that musician to death.
Chickens do it and, imo, it's the worst side of their reptilian nature. So true. I most definitely agree that there seems to be a goodly amount of people in the jazz world that I would categorize as "jerks" unfortunately a few of those were my jazz teachers. There have been some very cool jazz musicians I've met as well but I've definitely run into a lot more arrogance and jerk-like behavior in the jazz world than with musicians of other genres that I play with.
Not sure why that is, but my experience seems to agree with the author's claims. Just my 2 cents, maybe that will change someday who knows. Early Jazz artists pretty much ruined the popularity of Jazz because they made it a "Musicians Thing".
The type of music they were creating was actually experimental. Some of these Musicians dabbled in music like Rock, thus the rock up beat that permeated there sound. I fI were to say to you that I'm a very good mechanic would get up in arms about it or I'm a very good Doctor, I doubt it very much, but when it comes to Musicians who may say they think they are very good, it seems to be offensive.
There are no better musicians on this planet than Jazz artists, so YOU are wrong there. There level of achievement far exceeds any other artists! I get a little envious too, when I compare my playing with some of the top Jazz artists like Steve Laury who far exceeds any Jazz Guitarist that I've heard, even George Benson who is a very great Guitarist.
If you want my opinion, rock artist are the ones with the big fat ego's, so you have the wrong musicans you're complaining about. The real reason Jazz Music is not popular, is because it's a music for mature minds, it has entertaining value that far exceeds any other music. It comprises emotions, feelings, melodicness that you won't find in other music. Since most of the music is purchased by the demographic age group of 14 to 25 year old's, it's not hard to see why Jazz artists struggle along!
Is this conversation Still active. Im new here to this site and would like to shed some light on this topic. I have been playing the piano and composing music all my life, always kept far from jazz since the scene is so snobbish and condescendent towards others… then I have met the most amazing, ego-less musicians, that allowed me to get to know jazz with the same language and attitude jazz pioneers losers on heroin mostly had.
No superiority, no vibing, no ego. That allowed me to get close to this wonderful harmony without bias. Now I am addicted to jazz…. The wives of composers like Mozart were often on their case to write down their improvisations, so they weren't lost to the world.
Gives us a different perspective. I had my comment ready when I read the title of this post on another page…. Where I live, most jazzers are university students who blow my doors off. I'm the worst and reading this truly makes me smile. Thanks and for the nay-sayers here…. You should meet Irish musicians sometime.
One thing's for sure…you hit a nerve. You should explore this topic further. There's a lot more to say about jazz elitism than what you touched on in this article. I disagree about vibing! Most jazz musicians have the students, and they still have the patience to work with them. The question is — in what framework meets the beginner with professionals on same stage.
Have you ever gone to a jam? Completely different when they aren't getting paid to "have patience. But the regulars can be very nasty to newcomers who struggle with the changes or play very simple solos.
Oh yeah, for my life I've been on one or two I was also a witness and participant , how a drummer with crooked hands and rhythm feel within 15 minutes successfully ruined the jam on international jazz festival. I just want to make an important point. You emphasize in the article that music shouldn't be about being elite, okay…suppose that it should be about a community, expression, motivation, positivity, and mainly…about the music. Assuming music, especially jazz music, is a community that brings all people together through, well, music… then posting silly articles like these do the quite the opposite.
This article is cheesy and it is clear that you cannot take constructive criticism and most importantly don't care about music not just jazz music enough to ignore egotistical people, focus on the music and people that bring the best out of you, and when someone says to you learn the chords to a song, he's probably helping you out man. I've been told i played something wrong ALL the time not just in jazz music…but I don't sit here and complain, writing long silly articles…No, I learn the shit and improve myself because he told me that to get me better most of the time.
Writing articles like these makes this already unpopular style of music even more hated, which is unnecessary. You're basically making people discriminate against the style of music that you play and love by posting shit like this. By the way. James walls……you're missing the point as well. Nobody said jazz is superior, and if they did they're either stupid or screwing with you.
Lastly, and most importantly… This style of music deserves respect. All the people that died and went through racism to help this music become alive today is why the word jazz is not just a genre.
Look up "jazz for lack of a better word". The fact that you haven't even spoken about the history of jazz music and actually decided to click the button "post "shows your lack of knowledge in this area. My guess is you studied jazz in school, got vibed a lot and then got vibed at a big city jam session so you go and post this article. I can't blame you though since not everyone has the opportunity to study and learn from people that were around when this music was being developed.
My advice is to rethink this post you made and try your best to get the right idea of what this music is really about. Uh, no, that guy freebeer DID say jazz is superior music. It's still there if you want to read it. And I have heard as much from snotty college kids at the jams around here too.
Takes a while before they learn to just stick their noses in the air and ignore people rather than actually speak such thoughts, but it's clear from the smirks, sneers, ear whispering, private joking, etc that arrogance is the rule, not the exception among jazz musicians.
At the jams around here you can cut the smug with a knife, and I am among many who won't set foot in them anymore for that exact reason. Wow you totally missed my whole point. Whether he said it or not if you take that comment seriously I question your musical awareness. If I were you i would spend your time reading the history of this music and work on something productive instead of spending all your time commenting some nonsense.
I'm not promoting bad attitudes, but if someone gives someone good advice I definitely think it's a good thing.
If you don't want to hear advice because you think music is a creative art form and everyone has their own story, well then fine… although that's true, with that closed minded attitude you probably won't get better or be in a place to write good songs. There's a reason we all know who miles Davis, bird, and trane are. They took advice to heart and worked. None of them cried like little babies about someone telling them they played the wrong chord on the 8th measure of "Groovin high" lol!
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Can I watch you masturbate on Skype. DoofusWainwright November 15th Comments. LoLifant November 15th Comments. DinosaurJones November 15th Comments. Why does this have so many comments Darius the Great November 16th Comments. Prettyplease November 16th 95 Comments. DinosaurJones November 16th Comments. MTV won't be around in Keyblade November 16th Comments. BlacKapes November 16th Comments. LoLifant November 16th Comments. Itwasthatwas November 16th Comments.
Piripichotes November 16th Comments. LOL jfc. That fucking massive porcelain cock? Deathconscious November 16th Comments.
Spec November 16th Comments. DoofusWainwright November 16th Comments. Dylan November 16th Comments. Slut November 16th Comments. Holy shit six. November 16th Comments. Jesus christ. Prettyplease November 17th 95 Comments. BlacKapes November 17th Comments. Supaduck0 November 17th Comments. North0House2 November 17th Comments. Stupid Jesse. LoLifant November 18th Comments. Darius the Great November 18th Comments. Deathconscious November 18th Comments. Jasdevi November 18th Comments.
Jasdevi November 19th Comments. DoofusWainwright November 19th Comments. This thread is gone, sad but RIP. Nomos November 21st Comments. Supaduck0 November 22nd Comments.
He def didn't tho. Asdfp November 22nd Comments. Crymsonblaze November 22nd Comments. Futures November 22nd Comments. Deathconscious November 22nd Comments.
At least. Prettyplease November 22nd 95 Comments. Supaduck0 November 23rd Comments. Deathconscious November 23rd Comments. Supaduck0 November 24th Comments. Faraudo November 24th Comments. Anything new on Jesse Rapey's story? BigBlob November 24th Comments. Prettyplease November 24th 95 Comments. November 24th Comments. ZippaThaRippa November 24th Comments. Sinternet November 24th Comments. Who left the gates open? Prettyplease November 25th 95 Comments. Supaduck0 November 25th Comments. I'm learning so much tonight.
Whoa, buddy. Oh Aiwaz, honey Jasdevi November 25th Comments. Darius the Great November 25th Comments. Is vault the word you meant there? Bloodhail November 25th Comments. Supaduck0 November 26th Comments.
Feather November 26th Comments. DarkTyler November 26th Comments. I think we've all learned a lesson. BlacKapes December 27th Comments. DivergentThinking December 27th Comments. DivergentThinking December 28th Comments. Do people know what pedophile means? Tunaboy45 December 28th Comments. Jesse Lacey is a fucking nonce. Asdfp December 28th Comments. How many are there now. LoLifant December 28th Comments. Faraudo December 28th Comments. December 28th Comments. BlacKapes December 29th Comments.
Lopezian January 1st 8 Comments. Asdfp January 2nd Comments. Spec January 2nd Comments. Kompys January 2nd Comments. He's a weirdooo. Tunaboy45 January 2nd Comments. KendrickIsGod January 2nd Comments. I'd read it. Kickstarter anyone? You should have the honors man.
BlacKapes January 3rd Comments. Tunaboy45 January 3rd Comments. Jesse Lacey is a child rapist. Fuck that, we need to break this thread. DarkTyler January 15th Comments. North0House2 February 2nd Comments.
Now that's something I can get behind. Dromasta February 17th Comments. Jasdevi February 17th Comments. Skoop February 17th Comments. Drubbi February 17th Comments. StrizzMatik February 20th Comments. BigBlob February 20th Comments. Hep Kat February 20th Comments. RobertZDar February 20th Comments. Keyblade February 20th Comments. Drifter February 20th Comments. Shut up nerd. DinosaurJones February 20th Comments. February 20th Comments.
Use your words, Drifter. Spec February 23rd Comments. Clumseee February 23rd Comments. Groundking February 23rd Comments. Asdfp February 23rd Comments. Raz0rGrind23 February 28th Comments. Asdfp March 5th Comments. QuinnObropta March 15th Comments. Faraudo March 26th Comments. QuinnObropta April 18th Comments.
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